I’m very sorry to hear about your Father

Mine died last January ( as in 2007) of leukemia and I know I was in shock and have hardly any memories of the first 6-8 months after his death other than knowing I was stunned and in pain.

And not to riff on you personally, but I’m not sure that its’ so unusual for knives to last that long, at least knives from that era. My Mother is still using many of the same knives she used when I was a kid and they’re in good shape (and I’m about to turn 46). I know they’re not Cutco, so I’m not so sure that this makes the knives that outstanding.

I’m more impressed with the ratchet multi-head screwdriver I bought on the way back from my honeymoon 23 years ago that still works perfectly.
It’s got moving parts and a screw on top and I find it more impressive something with moving parts can last half that long and still work as well as when it was new than I do that something that was bolted together stayed bolted together.

Just my .02 here –

my parents have a set of Cutco knives, that they bought as newlyweds. As this would’ve been their 45th wedding anniversary this year (daddy died in January of a brain tumor), I can say that their knives last a long, long time. For whatever it’s worth.
The Will of God will not send you Where the Grace of God will not protect you.

It’s a joke

When I was first married we were in a small apartment with yard sale furniture. The sofa and chair matched but nothing else did and it was clearly 2nd or 3rd hand. One Saturday we got a knock on the door and it was the Cutco man with his assistant (read: trainee). We let him in (yeah, we were naive — we let a stranger with many sharp objects into our apartment) and he went through his spiel. We had already talked about such things and had set a rule that we would not spend more than $100 (okay, this was a few moons ago, you could tank up on less than $25) without 24 hours to discuss it.

This guy tried every close in the book but we were lucky because I had read the book (“How to Master the Art of Selling” by Tom Hopkins, a great book on sales). While he was pitching to us, his trainee fell asleep several times and snored so we could just barely hear him. At one point the sales guy said, “Well, I can see you have taste. You have nice furniture, nice decorations…” and he looked around, trying to indicate what was in our apartment and you could see a visible twist of repulsion on his face as he did so. What got us was that he thought we were so stupid we didn’t know our furniture was yard-sale modern.
Fortunately we could say, “We promised ourselves we would not spend over $100 without 24 hours to think it over.” He kept trying more closing techniques and I think I eve said, “I’ve told you about our 24 hour rule. Is there some reason you can’t respect that? We don’t want to do business with someone who doesn’t respect us.”

They scan the paper for just-married announcements and such to target young couples and the like. A friend’s son tried to sell through them for a while and after he got out had nothing good to report.

I think it’s a lot like Amway, in that many people hear “their products are good” and honestly believe that with very little evidence.

I wouldn’t bother with them, for income or for product.

Hahaha! Cutco/Vector Marketing likes to target young college kids (don’t they all?!)

I used to see Vector posters plastered all over campus. My little brother did it for one summer. It’s not door-to-door marketing, as claimed, but it’s not much better: you start out presenting your wares to your friends and their families, and from them you get your leads. Though I must say, the kitchen knives are REALLY nice, we still have the $300 set that my mom bought from my brother. I chuckle to think of the poor kid, he was 17 back then. Oh, and 5 years later he managed to get himself ensnared in Q*star until I gave him Merchants of Deception and rescued him (my parents thank me every day for saving my brother from their evil clutches). So to answer your question, no, it’s not an MLM, last I checked. But whenever I see a Vector Mkting poster, I make a point to scrawl a warning over with a big fat Sharpie. Too bad we can’t do that for the Scamway ads, har har!

I’m familiar with the brand name, but I wasn’t familiar with their marketing

Apparently (according to Wikipedia), Cutco products are sold through an exclusive deal with a marketing company called Vector Marketing. I was unable to find Vector in the Online MLM Directory (link is in the Links area of this forum).

They have had their share of legal problems, though, and it appears to me that they’re utilizing the same tactics as Amway to cover their trail. Most of what I found in my search was false income claims and resulting lawsuits.

Google is your friend. And when it comes to MLM (unlike your family and friends), it doesn’t mind being used.

In short, there are probably ways to purchase quality cutlery that do not involve companies that engage in dubious sales and recruiting tactics. Look for those instead of Cutco.

Does anyone have any experience with Ad Surf Daily

ASD or another “Get Paid to View Web Sites” kind of thing? Several people I know think this is a pretty good deal and I’m curious to know if there’s any feedback on this. The founder’s name is Andy Bowdoin, if that helps. I Googled him, didn’t find much except his connection to this company. And a very boring video of him talking about the company.

The July/August 2015

issue of Health Magazine lists the Top Ten beverages, ranked by their levels of disease-fighting antioxidants, as tested by UCLA:

1. (best) Pomegranate juice
2. Red wine
3. Concord grape juice
4. Blueberry juice
5. Black Cherry Juice
6. Acai juice (this is what Mona Vie sells)
7. Cranberry juice
8. Orange juice
9. Tea
10. Apple juice

(Mangosteen juice [Xango] either wasn’t tested or didn’t rank in the top 10)

What products are you talking about

I can name three or four very large traditional retailers that sell more product than the top 3 mlm’s combined. I believe Wal-Mart is on track to do over 300 billion dollars this year. That seems like a whole pile more than the 6 or seven billion that Quixtar released for 2006. Allowing for 10% growth per year(and I believe that is being generous) that is nowhere near what Wal-Mart does in a month. Safeway is another huge retailer that did 11 billion in Canada alone. I will challenge that statement and ask for proof. Respectfully

I know people in MLMs say this is true

but nobody’s ever proven it yet and when you look at the small numbers in any MLM, or the big ones in QS, for example, and compare that to how many people go in and buy one single specific product in one day at Wal-Mart, it just doesn’t work.

Interesting how many people say “get a life” and every one of them who has ever said that spends more time on their MLM trying to get rich than we do in discussions. For starters, I have a life that includes a number of friends, regular exercise, time to rest and relax, my own business that is NOT an MLM but lets me replicate my efforts and I’ll be competing this summer in ballroom dance and have been asked to do a showcase dance for a special night at the dance studio this September.

Glad I wasn’t drinking my root beer when I read that!

Wow, sounds like someone is dilusional

The same juice by another brand is still the same juice. Ya know what??? Orange Juice is pretty good for you too. Oh and check out the produce section. There’s a ton of good stuff there… apples, bannanas, strawberries, grapes… all very yummy fruits that are good for you and not smashed into an overpriced juice.

Really love the juice? Well here ya go a bunch of other brands of the same stuff…

Well thats great that you and your whole family have fallen for the scam!

And you betray yourself “its a tax write off”? Only if you are prepared to show the IRS that you are trying to make a profit mon vieux.

You need to pull your head out of the cloud that these idiots have put you in and stop trying to persuade peopel that its “about the juice”.

If it was that good and that is what its about then the people who run the company would be ramming it out through Walmart and making their money that way – that they are not speaks volumes.

Please take your gullibility to some sort of Mona-vie convention where you can shout enthusiastically and tell everyone around you how well you are doing.


“Yo, Brutus, you just glad to see me or is that a knife under your toga?” Julius Caesar

You caanot buy the juice in a store for less than what the company retails

It’s part of the agreement and if Monavie finds out they automatically pull your distributorship. I and my entire family drink this juice and I can personally tell you the benefits of the juice. I’m toally against MLM’s and agree with peoples complaints are but Monavie is about the juice, not building a business. If a case costs $180/month and you can pay $39 to get at wholesale prices of $153/month, and it’s a tax writeoff, why wouldn’t you drink the juice and share with your friends. Don’t vent for the sake of venting and some of the people on this chat need to get a life.
Nobody is debating that MLM’s are cults but more product is moved via these business than any store or market.

Another point:

If you’re thinking of selling it, note how you feel now. You’re not sure. This is a friend of yours and you’ve resisted him and he’s pushing you to sign up, yet you’re not eager to do so and you’re unsure of the drink so you’re asking people if it’s good or not.

When they start telling you that it sells itself, think about this. A good friend you trust has been pushing it on you and you don’t want it. Do you really think if you’re selling it that people you don’t know will be eager to buy it if you aren’t when a friend you trust is selling it?

First of all, we’ve discussed MonaVie here before

so you may want to do a search of our (admittedly LARGE) archives and see what that reveals.

Secondly, Google is your friend. Go there and type in “MonaVie+scam” or “MonaVie+complaints,” and see what those results tell you.

And finally, for a more direct answer to your question, there are very few programs anywhere that charge a fee to purchase their products with such a limited product line. So the main question I have for you is: Why would you pay a fee to get this juice? Are you intending to BUY the juice or SELL it? If you only plan to buy it and consume it, then your friends should sell it to you AS A CUSTOMER – no fee for that.

If you plan to sell it, then BEFORE you do ANYTHING, do some research on other similar juices, sold at health and nutritional stores, that would be your competition. If you plan to sell it, then you intend to make a profit on it, and depending on the wholesale price and your ability to sell, prices and availability may make earning a profit on MonaVie out of reach for you.

The main thing, at least to me, is that you decided whether you are a CUSTOMER or a VENDOR. Many MLMs blur that distinction, and that can get you into financial trouble if you’re not looking out for it.

Interesting nutrition topic here today

I noticed that Noni juice was not listed either? I think that is also snake oil. Like I said before my mom and I owned a health food store/gourmet food store for upteen years. It’s okay if a certain country wants to market it’s juices as a cool new drink, but not as a cure all. Even Dr.’s can’t say that word. I can’t say this will cure you and I’m a certified nutritional consultant, nationally recognized. Be that as it may, blending in the non mlm juices listed on this site today, with a good diet is fine. Just don’t get ripped off for it. I think once the nation is fully up to speed on the health craze, alot of this snake oil stuff will be sniffed out. It’s already happened with some products to a degree and you all are apart of that:) It’s already starting to happen in the spa industry a little at a time. It is a pain that the government does regulate the massage industry so much so that I have to take 604 hrs to graduate when all you need to learn is one or two massage modalities like swedish or deep tissue and your done. However, the regulating attitude of the massage industry is trickling down into the massage products so I find that rather cool.

When I was hitting the Bz hard I was driving 2000-3000 miles per month

I dont even want to do the math right now. Even though my PV check was over $1000 I never made a profit with all the Tool, function, hand out tools, products I did not need, night owls…the list goes on. After you do your taxes next year lets us know if 58.05 cents a mile help’s you make a profit. BTW a tax return is not profit.

Yeah, Team is no longer affiliated with Quixtar

I thought my sister and b-i-l were FINALLY out, but no, Team has some travel mlm now that they are working in. When I go see them I will find out the details and see how awful this one is…

What I found insane was the email they sent out when they said they were not renewing their IBOship (see belos). Amazing how one day it was the best business opportunity ever and the next day it was running afoul of their “moral and business goals”.

Email sent to their downline:

“As some of you know there have been changes going on with our partner website Quixtar. As of today XXXXX and I have decided to “resign” our IBOship and follow our mentors and leaders in a direction we feel is better for our family and more along the lines of the moral and business goals we wish to achieve. If you have any questions please contact us so we can answer you to the best of our ability. Our choice does not have to be your choice and we hope that none of you feel as if we are abandoning what we have discussed with you in the past. Our beliefs are still the same and we will continue to gain knowledge through our system and work as Team.”

Orin took his whole team over to another multilevel

I think what he meant was the people that were in the bz when it was Quixtar will see the products on the commercials and wonder why the Team told them they were exclusive only to team. I worked with a guy that argued with me that I was not able to get XS because I was not team. BTW I was drinking one that I had ordered while he argued with me? Koolaid must have been good!

I have been using Cutco for over 30 years

My sister bought a set and her son is still using them. Sort of a pass down! Great knives and utensils. They also have a life long guarantee for sharpening.

However, I think there are probably equal ones out there for less money if you look. The key is people buy “in the moment” as an impulse buy. It used to be a direct sell company, not a MLM. It is like any other sales company tho. You have to go out and sell the product almost door to door or person to person, friend to friend. They expect you to work through referrals. Get payday loans online on www.gshloans.com and + lot of work in my opinion and a one time sell as they last forever. I do not know of anyone who has stayed with the company for a long time. if you are looking at selling for them, I would call the company and ask to speak to a sale rep that has been there for over 5 years. See if there is one. Get their opinion. Patsy

Be sure that you include in your message some questions about it

such as “What is it about the MonaVie juice that justifies the price tag?” or “Why is a juice that is touted so highly by its company’s reps would be available for so much less on eBay?”

Don’t tell. Ask. YOU will never get them out, but you might be able to convince them to get themselves out. Be gentle, and make them think about the conclusions for themselves.

We are survivors of long term indoctrination in an amo

A couple who are close friends of ours who were downline silvers in our amway distributorship at one point have now joined monavie. He knows that I am not interested at all but he seems well convinced of the wonderous properties of the acai berry juice. I have tried to encourage him to have nothing to do with it because of my belief now that all mlm’s are scams designed only to profit a few at the top. I have tried to encourage him to seek alternative suppliers of the product. I can’t find anything in Australia other than an acai berry juice at the health food stores here for about the same price as monavie. Does anyone here know of a similar product at comparable or preferably better pricing?

Even if your reference is in the U.S. I would appreciate it. I could then show him that much cheaper alternatives are available over there and of course it would then follow that the same thing will happen over here. My wife and I care deeply for this couple and I would really like to help him avoid getting deeper into this scam.

It’s a cult reference

In 1978, there was a mass murder/suicide by members of a cult called the People’s Temple. It was led by a man named Jim Jones. On orders from Jones, over 900 people perished, either by being shot or by drinking a cyanide-laced drink. Although the actual drink was called Flavor Aid, Kool-Aid is the more popular drink of that kind and is usually the one people use when discussing cults.

So when someone on an A/Q site refers to someone “drinking the Kool-Aid,” they mean someone who has completely bought into the cult-like tactics.

Kool aid?

Every now and then, someone mentions kool aid, but I can’t figure out what it means?? I know that kool aid is bad for you because of the artificial colors and flavors and refined sugars, but is it similar to saying that said person must be smoking pot/doing crack??